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“Unreal Worlds Meeting”?

Reality and Illusion in Ecumenical Dialogue

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Where We Dwell in Common

Part of the book series: Pathways for Ecumenical and Interreligious Dialogue ((PEID))

Abstract

The picture of ecumenism that many people in the mainstream of church life, but outside the process of ecumenical dialogue, have is of a bunch of idealists fantasizing about something that is never going to happen. For them, ecumenists live in an unreal world, detached from the tough reality of church life. In particular, they suspect that when ecumenists get together in theological dialogue, the very specific traditions that they are meant to represent are thrown into the melting pot and that what is brewed up is some kind of tasteless ecumenical soup. In this chapter, I want to begin exploring the issues of reality and illusion and of vision and pragmatism in the enterprise of Christian unity and to sketch very briefly why I believe that ecumenical dialogue can be pursued with both realism and integrity.1

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Avis, P. (2016). “Unreal Worlds Meeting”?. In: Mannion, G. (eds) Where We Dwell in Common. Pathways for Ecumenical and Interreligious Dialogue. Palgrave Macmillan, New York. https://doi.org/10.1057/9781137503152_8

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