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Comments on the Philebus

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A close reading of key passages in the Philebus, dealing with the good, the one and the multiple, the theory of ideas, language, dialectic, limit, mixture, pleasure, knowledge, and reason.

Based on the notes taken by Gabriel Liiceanu in the course of a series of lectures given by Alexandru Dragomir in June–November 1985 on Plato’s dialogue Philebus , apart from the opening section (‘The horizon of discussion’), which is taken from two pages about the Philebus in a notebook of Dragomir’s from 1985, which appear to have been written in preparation for the lectures.

The first part of the series (11 June–16 August) consisted of commentary on the first half of the dialogue (11a–39c). This corresponds to sections 1–13 in the present text.

In the second part (2 October–2 November), Dragomir set out to deal with a wider range of topics: (a) a revision of what had previously been discussed; (b) a discussion of a longer passage from the Philebus (55a–64d); (c) a setting of the problem of pleasure in Plato’s thinking as a whole; (d) a discussion of the differences between Plato’s and Aristotle’s views on the problem of pleasure; and finally, (e) a setting of the problem of pleasure in a broader context. As a result, the lectures in this second part sometimes lack the clarity and coherence of those in the first part; furthermore, topics (a), (c) and (e) were only partially covered, and (d) was not touched on at all in the end. From this second part of the series, I have kept only (b), which corresponds to sections 16–17.

Two sequences in the dialogue (39c–55a and 64b–67b) were hardly touched on at all in the lectures; they are here briefly discussed in sections 14–15 (41b–55a) and 18 (64b–67b), which, with the exception of a few sentences, are written by myself. In sections 1–13, I have followed closely the notes taken by Gabriel Liiceanu in the course of the lectures; however many passages have been reformulated and reorganized in a different order from that in which they occurred in the lectures. Some passages have been omitted (repetitions, digressions, quotations from various authors where the source was not indicated), and others have been made more succinct. The division of the text into sections is my own.

The lectures on the Philebus began as a ‘running commentary’, a commentary that set out to accompany the reading of the dialogue , explaining each section in turn. However some sections were not explained, and others were only briefly commented on. To attempt to complete and develop what was said in the lectures, continuing along the road they open up within Plato’s philosophy, seemed to me too risky, for the interpretation they propose is extremely original. In spite of all their shortcomings, Dragomir’s lectures on the Philebus remain an excellent guide through the labyrinth of this dialogue . (Catalin Partenie)

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Notes

  1. 1.

    The ‘physical’ and the ‘logical’ were not, for Plato, completely separate. Thus for him, the nature (φύσις) of a thing concerns what can logically be said about that thing. [A.D.]

  2. 2.

    The distinction is all a matter of the presence of time (the ‘world of becoming’) or its absence (the ‘world of ideas’). [A.D.]

  3. 3.

    From this point on it is no longer a matter of ‘that which is good’, ἀγαθος, but of ‘good’ itself, τὸ ἀγαθόν. [A.D.]

  4. 4.

    The moment a problem ceases to be approached in terms of ‘either—or’ (‘good is either pleasure or knowledge’), it no longer concerns the nature (φύσις) or substance (οὐσία) of the things under discussion, but their quality. [A.D.]

  5. 5.

    Hope is what is vital in us (cf. 40a). It is that ‘vital urge’, ὁρμή, that drives life forwards. [A.D.]

  6. 6.

    The world of das Niedrige also includes, according to post-Platonic Western tradition, the excremental (here we should think of Saint Jerome , Saint Augustine, Luther , Baudelaire , and Freud). [A.D.]

  7. 7.

    But if the philosophy of Plato also embraces this zone of das Niedrige, then it is not eine erhabene Philosophie, a sublime philosophy, on the model established after it by Christianity in continuation of the Phaedo. [A.D.]

  8. 8.

    For this return to dialectic, see Republic 515c–d (the ‘direction of the gaze’) and 518d (the ‘turning of the entire soul’). [A.D.]

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Dragomir, A. (2017). Comments on the Philebus . In: Liiceanu, G., Partenie, C. (eds) The World We Live In. Phaenomenologica, vol 220. Springer, Cham. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-42854-3_9

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