Skip to main content

Part of the book series: Pioneers in Arts, Humanities, Science, Engineering, Practice ((PAHSEP,volume 2))

  • 524 Accesses

Abstract

The most superficial level of Thucydides’ history examines the destructive consequences of domestic and foreign policies framed outside the language of justice. His deeper political-philosophical aim was to explore the relationship between nomos (convention) and phusis (nature) and its implications for civilization.

This is a preview of subscription content, log in via an institution to check access.

Access this chapter

Chapter
USD 29.95
Price excludes VAT (USA)
  • Available as PDF
  • Read on any device
  • Instant download
  • Own it forever
eBook
USD 39.99
Price excludes VAT (USA)
  • Available as EPUB and PDF
  • Read on any device
  • Instant download
  • Own it forever
Softcover Book
USD 54.99
Price excludes VAT (USA)
  • Compact, lightweight edition
  • Dispatched in 3 to 5 business days
  • Free shipping worldwide - see info
Hardcover Book
USD 54.99
Price excludes VAT (USA)
  • Durable hardcover edition
  • Dispatched in 3 to 5 business days
  • Free shipping worldwide - see info

Tax calculation will be finalised at checkout

Purchases are for personal use only

Institutional subscriptions

Notes

  1. 1.

    This chapter was first published as: “Thucydides the Constructivist!”, in: American Political Science Review, 95,3 (September 2001): pp. 547–60. The permission to republish this chapter was granted on xy July 2015 by Clair Taylor, Senior Publishing Assistant, Legal Services, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK. Richard Ned Lebow was then Professor of Political Science, History, and Psychology, with The Mershon Center, The Ohio State University, Columbus, OH 43201-2602. The research for this text was supported by the Rockefeller Foundation and its Bellagio Center. The author is very grateful to David Hahm, Brien Hallett, Victor Hanson, Clarissa Hayward, Bruce Heiden, Friedrich Kratochwil, Peter Nani, Dorothy Noyes, Niall Slater, and Barry Strauss for their generous assistance.

  2. 2.

    All English references to Thucydides in this article refer to The Landmark Thucydides: A Comprehensive Guide to the Peloponnesian War, ed. Robert B. Strassler (New York: Free Press, 1996).

  3. 3.

    Nomos first pertained to customs and conventions before some of them were written down in the form of laws and, later, to statutory law. Hesiod makes the first known usage, and Plato later wrote a treatise, Nomoi, in which he suggests that long-standing customs have higher authority than laws. Nomos can refer to all the habits of conforming to an institutional and social environment. Phusis is used by Homer to designate things that are born and grow and can be derived from the verb phuein, and later it became associated with nature more generally.

  4. 4.

    We must distinguish between Greek civilization and civilizations more generally. Thucydides certainly had in mind the restoration of civil society and international order in Athens and Greece. Did he look beyond Greece geographically or historically? Fifth-century Greeks were aware of other contemporary (e.g., Egypt, Persia) and past (Mycenaean and Homeric) civilizations. Thucydides had a clear sense of the rise and fall of civilizations and describes his history “as a possession for all time,” so it is reasonable to infer that he looked to a future readership beyond the confines of Greece.

  5. 5.

    I do not want to exaggerate the parallels between ancient and modern philosophies of social inquiry; there were important differences in ideas and the relative timing of social and scientific advances. In the modern era, advances in mathematics have contributed to modern science and, ultimately, the social sciences. In Greece, the age of mathematical discovery came after these philosophical debates were under way. Athenian interest in mathematics began a generation after Thucydides; Euclid wrote his Elements at the end of the fourth century, and Archimedes made his contributions almost a century later.

  6. 6.

    Well before Thucydides, Greek philosophy debated the importance and meaning of language. There was some recognition that it mediated human understanding of reality and thus constituted a barrier to any perfect grasp of that reality. An attempted solution was to assert that names are not arbitrary labels but imitations of their objects. Others (e.g., Hermogenes) insisted that words are arbitrary in origin and do not represent any reality. Socrates tried to split the difference by arguing that things have a fixed nature that words attempt to reproduce, but the imitation is imperfect, and this is why languages vary so much. Moreover, all attempts at imitation become corrupted over time. Considerable effort went into recapturing the meaning of words and names in the late fifth century, and Thucydides must be situated in that tradition. I see no evidence that he believed in the original meaning of words, but certainly he wanted to restore earlier meanings, supportive of homonoia, that had been subverted. Plato, in Phaedrus, 260b, makes a similar argument when he discusses a skilled rhetorician who convinces someone to use the name ‘horse’ to describe a donkey and thus transfers the qualities of one to the other. He is clearly tilting at rhetoricians and politicians who advocate evil as good.

References

  • Adcock, F. E. 1957. The Greek and Macedonian Art of War (Berkeley: University of California Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Aeschylus. 1938. Agamemnon. In The Complete Greek Drama, vol. 1, ed. Whitney J. Oates and Eugene O’Neill, Jr. (New York: Random House), pp. 167–225.

    Google Scholar 

  • Alker, Hayward R. 1988. “The Dialectical Logic of Thucydides’ Melian Dialogue.” American Political Science Review 82 (September): 806–20.

    Google Scholar 

  • Alker, Hayward R. 1996. Rediscoveries and Reformulations: Humanistic Methods for International Studies (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Austin, J. L. 1975. How to Do Things with Words, 2d. ed., ed. J. O. (Cambridge: Harvard University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Beye, Charles Rowan. 1987. Ancient Greek Literature and Society, 2d rev. ed. (Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Bowersock, Glen P. 1965. “The Personality of Thucydides”. Antioch Review 35 (1): 135–45.

    Google Scholar 

  • Bury, J. B., Meiggs, Russell. 1975. History of Greece to the Death of Alexander the Great, 4th rev. ed. (New York: St. Martin’s).

    Google Scholar 

  • Cochrane, Charles. 1929. Thucydides and the Science of History (Oxford: Oxford University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Connor, W. Robert. 1984. Thucydides (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Cornford, F. M. 1907. Thucydides Mythistoricus (London: Arnold. Crane, Gregory, 1998). Thucydides and the Ancient Simplicity: The Limits of Political Realism (Berkeley and Los Angeles: University of California Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Democritus. 1956. In Die Fragmente der Vorsakratiker, ed. Hermann Diels and Walther Kranz (Berlin: Weidmannsche Verlagsbuchhandlung), pp. 56–7.

    Google Scholar 

  • de Ste. Croix, G. E. M. 1972. The Origins of the Peloponnesian War (London: Duckworth).

    Google Scholar 

  • Dionysus of Halicarnassus. 1975. On Thucydides, trans. W. Kendrick Pritchett (Berkeley: University of California Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Doyle, Michael W. 1997. Ways of War and Peace (New York: Norton).

    Google Scholar 

  • Ellis, J. R. 1991. “The Structure and Argument of Thucydides’ Archeology.” Classical Antiquity 10 (2): 344–75.

    Google Scholar 

  • Euben, J. Peter. 1990. The Tragedy of Political Theory: The Road Not Taken. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press.

    Google Scholar 

  • Finley, John H., Jr. [1942] 1967. Thucydides. Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press.

    Google Scholar 

  • Finnemore, Martha, and Kathryn Sikkink. 1998. “International Norm Dynamics and Political Change.” International Organization 52 (Autumn): 887–918.

    Google Scholar 

  • Forde, Steven. 1989. The Ambition to Rule. Alcibiades and the Polities of Imperialism in Thucydides (Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Forde, Steven. 1992. “Varieties of Realism: Thucydides and Machia- velli.” Journal of Politics 54 (May): 372–93.

    Google Scholar 

  • Garst, Daniel. 1989. “Thucydides and Neorealism” International Studies Quarterly 33 (1): 469–97.

    Google Scholar 

  • Gilpin, Robert. 1986. “The Richness of the Tradition of Political Realism.” In Neorealism and Its Critics, ed. Robert O. Keohane. New York: Columbia University Press. Pp. 301–21.

    Google Scholar 

  • Guthrie, W. K. C. 1969. A History of Greek Philosophy, 5 vols. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Havelock, Eric A. 1963. Preface to Plato (Cambridge: Harvard University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Herodotus. 1958. The Histories of Herodotus of Halicarnassus, trans. Harry Carter (New York: Heritage Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Herwig, Holger H. 1997. The First World War: Germany and Austria- Hungary, 1914–1918 (London: Arnold).

    Google Scholar 

  • Homer. 1951. The Iliad of Homer, trans. Richmond Lattimore (Chicago: University of Chicago Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Hopf, Ted. 2002. Constructing International Relations at Home: Finding Allies in Moscow, 1995–1999 (Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Jaeger, Werner. 1939–45. Paideia: The Ideals of Greek Culture, 3 vols., trans. Gilbert Highet. (Oxford: Blackwell).

    Google Scholar 

  • Kagan, Donald. 1969. The Outbreak of the Peloponnesian War. Ithaca, NY: Cornell (University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Kerford, G. B. 1981. The Sophistic Movement (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Kokaz, Nancy 2001. “Moderating Power: A Thucydidean Perspective.” Review of International Studies 27 (January): 27–49.

    Google Scholar 

  • Kratochwil, Friedrich V. 1989. Rules, Norms, and Decisions: On the Conditions of Political and Legal Reasoning in International Relations and Domestic Affairs (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Kratochwil, Friedrich V., and John Gerard Ruggie. 1986. “International Organization: A State of the Art on an Art of the State,” International Organization 49 (Autumn): 753–75.

    Google Scholar 

  • Lain Entralgo, Pedro. 1970. The Therapy of the Word in Classical Antiquity, ed. and trans. E. J. Rather and John M. Sharp (New Haven, CT: Yale University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Lebow, Richard Ned. 1991. “Thucydides, Power Transition Theory, and the Causes of War.” In Hegemonic Rivalry: From Thucydides to the Nuclear Age, ed. Richard Ned Lebow and Barry S. Strauss (Boulder, CO: Westview), pp. 125–68.

    Google Scholar 

  • Lebow, Richard Ned. 1996. “Play It Again Pericles: Agents, Structures and the Peloponnesian War.” European Journal of International Relations 2 (June): 231–58.

    Google Scholar 

  • Lebow, Richard Ned, and Robert Kelly. 2001. “‘Thucydides and Hegemony’: Athens and the United States.” Review of International Studies 27 (October), pp. 1–17.

    Google Scholar 

  • Levy, Jack S. 1992. “An Introduction to Prospect Theory.” Political Psychology 13 (June): 171–86.

    Google Scholar 

  • Levy, Jack S. 1996. “Loss Aversion, Framing and Bargaining: The Implications of Prospect Theory for International Conflict.” International Political Science Review 17 (2): 179–95.

    Google Scholar 

  • Lloyd, Geoffrey E. R. 1978. Magic, Reason and Experience: Studies in the Origins and Development of Greek Science (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Luce, T. J. 1997. The Greek Historians (London: Routledge).

    Google Scholar 

  • Meiggs, Russell. 1972. The Athenian Empire (Oxford: Oxford University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Monoson, S. Sara, and Michael Loriaux. 1998. “The Illusion of Power and the Disruption of Moral Norms: Thucydides’ Critique of Periclean Policy.” American Political Science Review 92 (June): 285–98.

    Google Scholar 

  • Morgenthau, Hans J. [1951] 1982. In Defense of the National Interest: A Critical Examination of American Foreign Policy (Lanham, MD: University Press of America).

    Google Scholar 

  • Murray, Williamson, and Allan R. Millet. 2000. A War to Be Won: Fighting the Second World War (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Ober, Josiah. 1989. Mass and Elite in Democratic Athens: Rhetoric, Ideology, and the Power of the People (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Ober, Josiah. 1998. Political Dissent in Democratic Athens: Intellectual Critics of Popular Rule (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Onuf, Nicholas Greenwood. 1989. World of Our Making: Rules and Rule in Social Theory and International Relations (Columbia: University of South Carolina Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Orwin, Clifford. 1994. The Humanity of Thucydides (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Perlman, Shalom. 1991. “Hegemony and Arche in Greece: Fourth- Century Views.” In Hegemonic Rivalry: From Thucydides to the Nuclear Age, ed. Richard Ned Lebow and Barry Strauss (Boulder, CO: Westview). pp. 269–86.

    Google Scholar 

  • Rahe, Paul A. 1996. “Thucydides Critique of Realpolitik.” In Roots of Realism, ed. Benjamin Frankel. Portland, OR: Frank Cass. Pp. 105–41.

    Google Scholar 

  • Rawlings, Hunter R., III. 1981. The Structure of Thucydides (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Romilly, Jacqueline de. 1990. La construction de la verite chez Thucydide (Paris: Julliard).

    Google Scholar 

  • Saxonhouse, Arlene W. 1996. Athenian Democracy: Modem Myth- Makers and Ancient Theorists (South Bend, IN: University of Notre Dame Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Searle, John R. 1995. The Construction of Social Reality (New York: Free Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Sbisa, Urmson and Sbisa, Marina, Bedford, David, Workman, Thom. 2001. “The Tragic Reading of the Thucydidean Tragedy.” Review of International Studies 27 (January), pp. 51–67.

    Google Scholar 

  • Stahl, Hans-Peter. 1966. Thucydides: Die Stellung des Menschen im geschichlichen Prozess (Munich: C. H. Beck).

    Google Scholar 

  • Strauss, Barry S. 1986. Athens after the Peloponnesian War (Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Thucydides. 1996. The Landmark Thucydides: A Comprehensive Guide to the Peloponnesian War, ed. Robert B. Strassler (New York: Free Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • Tversky, Amos, and Daniel Kahneman. 1992. “Advances in Prospect Theory: Cumulative Representation of Uncertainty.” Journal of Risk and Uncertainty 5 (2): 297–323.

    Google Scholar 

  • Wallace, W. P. 1964. “Thucydides.” Phoenix 18 (4): 251–61.

    Google Scholar 

  • Waltz, Kenneth. 1979. The Theory of International Politics (Reading, MA: Addison-Wesley).

    Google Scholar 

  • Weinberg, Gerhard L. 1994. A World at War: A Global History of World War II (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press).

    Google Scholar 

  • White, James Boyd. 1984. When Words Lose Their Meaning: Constitutions and Reconstitutions of Language, Character and Community (Chicago: University of Chicago Press).

    Google Scholar 

Download references

Author information

Authors and Affiliations

Authors

Editor information

Editors and Affiliations

Rights and permissions

Reprints and permissions

Copyright information

© 2017 The Author(s)

About this chapter

Cite this chapter

Lebow, R.N. (2017). Thucydides the Constructivist. In: Lebow, R. (eds) Richard Ned Lebow: A Pioneer in International Relations Theory, History, Political Philosophy and Psychology. Pioneers in Arts, Humanities, Science, Engineering, Practice, vol 2. Springer, Cham. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-34150-7_9

Download citation

Publish with us

Policies and ethics